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Poseur Extraordinaire Beatification Candidate  |
In Maine marriage for same-sex couple was defeated
In Washington "everything but marriage" was successful. Should the same-sex union groups shift to working toward "everything but marriage" rights?
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Beatification Candidate |
They should work toward whatever is reasonably achievable, with the eventual goal of getting everything, INCLUDING marriage.
Progress comes step by step. |
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Techno-Stud Beatification Candidate  |
"Separate but equal."
Now, where have I heard that phrase before? |
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Member SIPC Beatification Candidate  |
In a country with a foundation based on personal and civil rights, this (marriage equality) shouldn't even be an issue.
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Poseur Extraordinaire Beatification Candidate |
and we should have had a female, a jewish and a homosexual president by now. But it ain't happn'
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Beatification Candidate |
You're right. I don't understand why it's an issue. But, when state after state votes it down, even against better-funded campaigns in favor, you have to accept that it IS an issue. In a different era, perhaps this could have been handled the way Brown v. Bd. of Ed. was handled ... through the courts. However, given the current make-up of the Supreme Court, that won't happen. If you take it to the courts, you'll just get another loss, making it more difficult to achieve in the future. (And maybe, if Brown v. Bd. of Ed. had come up with the Court's current make-up, we'd still have separate but equal schools.) So, you lick your wounds, you take what you can get, and you live to fight another day. |
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Member SIPC Beatification Candidate |
It's mind-boggling that there are people spending lots of time and money to actively deny rights to other people that would have no real impact on themselves.
Any objections to marriage equality that are not based on secular reasons should be disregarded. That shouldn't leave much, if anything, on which to object.
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Beatification Candidate |
I am disappointed that Obama did not put some personal effort into Maine gay rights rather than Corzine's doomed NJ gov race.
Obama forgot that many Dem voters like me are partly "values voters" who want abortion rights and gay marriage and an end to the drug wars and put up with the mediocre-to-poor economic policies of the Dems in order to promote left-liberal social values. Of course, Obama said in his book he opposed gay marriage, so I guess he is not inconsistent. |
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That Scarlatti nut. Minor Deity  |
I have nothing useful to add at the moment other than to say that I voted for Ref 71 in Washington State and encouraged everyone I know (with whom I am not forbidden to discuss politics) to do the same.
Together we passed the "everything but (the word) marriage" law. Actually, what we did was just uphold what the state legislature had already done. We also defeated a candidate for County Executive of the most populous county in the state who was (accurately) described as "Washington's own Sarah Palin". She was the most right wing, anti-choice, anti-sanity candidate we've seen around here for a long time -- at least since the ultra-conservative nutjob who ran for Governor on the platform of Church First, Family Second, State Laws... ummmm... dead last.
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Chatty Kathy Beatification Candidate  |
Hey - marriage is overrated. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I actually do believe that *adults* should be able to marry whom they wish, which IMO also includes polygamy. Ducking from Nina at this point......
I also don't understand why women are still changing their names when they get married and a lot of other weird stuff, but that's just me. I cringe everytime I hear that A** Tony Perkins talking about defending marriage. I don't understand who gay marriage threatens my marriage. 
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That Scarlatti nut. Minor Deity |
Y'know... I keep hearing that "slippery slope" argument againt gay marriage -- that next we will be legalizing polygamy, incest, bestiality...
But when I think about it, I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with polygamy. Fundamentally unfair, but not fundamentally wrong. I am such a product of growing up on the left coast in the 1970s.
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Foregoing Vacation to Post |
Heck, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with incest either. It grosses me out, but "gross" ≠ "wrong". The mental imagery of two men having same-sex intercourse grosses some people out, the mental imagery of one's parents having sex grosses some people out, too; yet, "gross" ≠ "wrong". I pretty much draw the line at "informed consent." Sex with animal, sex with minors, and sex with mentally ill or retarded people are "wrong" because they are incapable of giving "informed consent." (Though it doesn't completely sit well with me that a person can be denied sexual pleasure for the rest of his/her life just because s/he is mentally ill or retarded... I don't have a satisfactory solution for this dilemma yet.) Anything else that informed, consenting adults want to do among themselves -- have at it.
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Beatification Candidate |
The issue is the genetics of procreation. Incest originally became a taboo because intermarrying among royal families led to an outbreak of things like hemophilia, iirc. |
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Techno-Stud Beatification Candidate |
Incest has been "taboo" since well before there was even any notion of royalty. |
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Poseur Extraordinaire Beatification Candidate |
Incest? I promise not to marry my brother. Believe me, I will not marry my brother.
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