She was allegedly born months after his employment with the embassy had ended. That would mean that she was likely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...n-who-joined-n973781

Quite possibly, but it's also quite possible that a reasonable interpretation is that the end of his embassy employment doesn't change the fact that he came to the US as a Yemeni diplomat. I'll let a court interpret whether his employment termination makes his child American.

And if you're correct, we can zap her for treason.

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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
Quite possibly, but it's also quite possible that a reasonable interpretation is that the end of his embassy employment doesn't change the fact that he came to the US as a Yemeni diplomat. I'll let a court interpret whether his employment termination makes his child American.

And if you're correct, we can zap her for treason.

I have no problem with that.

I do have a problem with doing a 21st century version of "The Man Without a Country", Trump style.

She adopted Syria. Can she not stay there?

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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
She adopted Syria. Can she not stay there?

Perhaps the answer is she was admitted to Syria as a U.S. citizen. I don't know what you mean by "adopted Syria", and I don't know what actions she took that demonstrate that she "adopted Syria". A few more questions:

1. Was she a U.S. citizen?

2. If not, how did she get a passport?

3. If she was a U.S. citizen, did she ever renounce that citizenship? (Note: joining an organization, even a terrorist organization, is not a renunciation of citizenship.)

4. Did she apply for citizenship, and was she granted citizenship, in Syria?

As I have said, I don't have a problem with admitting her into the U.S. and then charging her with treason ... assuming she was a U.S. citizen. My issue is that the Trump Administration's attitude seems to be, "We don't like you or what you did, so you aren't welcome", without regard to her citizenship. That's not right. U.S. citizens have a right to return home. And then they can be charged with a crime, if they've committed a crime. If she's a U.S. citizen, "go away" is the wrong answer.

Her father files suit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...s-return-u-s-n974386

Motion to dismiss for lack of standing?

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Motion to dismiss for lack of standing?

+1

Not my area of expertise, so I have no idea.

Here's the paperwork for the legal beagles to evaluate:

https://www.scribd.com/documen...a-Lawsuit#from_embed

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:

As I have said, I don't have a problem with admitting her into the U.S. and then charging her with treason ... assuming she was a U.S. citizen. My issue is that the Trump Administration's attitude seems to be, "We don't like you or what you did, so you aren't welcome", without regard to her citizenship. That's not right. U.S. citizens have a right to return home. And then they can be charged with a crime, if they've committed a crime. If she's a U.S. citizen, "go away" is the wrong answer.

According to this report: "The Obama administration initially determined she was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016."

I do not know why or how that initial determination was made in January 2016, but the Trump administration's determination of her non-citizenship status does not appear novel.

It does not. But neither does the father trying to prove that he was no longer in a diplomatic position. He says he has the paperwork to prove it, including letters from the UN and the government, and has been trying to establish her citizenship for some time.

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Originally posted by Axtremus:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:

As I have said, I don't have a problem with admitting her into the U.S. and then charging her with treason ... assuming she was a U.S. citizen. My issue is that the Trump Administration's attitude seems to be, "We don't like you or what you did, so you aren't welcome", without regard to her citizenship. That's not right. U.S. citizens have a right to return home. And then they can be charged with a crime, if they've committed a crime. If she's a U.S. citizen, "go away" is the wrong answer.

According to this report: "The Obama administration initially determined she was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016."

I do not know why or how that initial determination was made in January 2016, but the Trump administration's determination of her non-citizenship status does not appear novel.

OK. I didn't know that. I have to cut the Trumpies some slack, then.

However, I think it's still an open (i.e., unlitigated) question whether she's a U.S. citizen by birth.

My take is this: may be she is a citizen, may be she is not. I'm OK with letting the courts sort this out. Until that is sorted out, though, there is a chance, possibly a good chance, that she is a citizen.
With that in mind, I'd much rather see her brought back in and face our justice rather than leaving her out to potentially let another country apply their justice to one who (may be) our (likely) citizen.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Motion to dismiss for lack of standing?

Can she file on her own behalf if she's not within the United States? (I don't know the answer to that.)

If she can't, that's an unacceptable Catch-22. It would essentially make it impossible for her to challenge the citizenship determination.

Father is filing individually and as Next Friend.

That means nothing to me.