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We can’t even get white supremacy right

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29 July 2020, 08:26 AM
jon-nyc
We can’t even get white supremacy right


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29 July 2020, 08:45 AM
Piano*Dad
Har, har, har ....

composition effects. The pool of Indian-Americans isn't a random sample.
29 July 2020, 09:07 AM
Axtremus
Curious omissions: Vietnamese Americans, Somali Americans, Israelis Americans, Palestinian Americans, Arab Americans, Persian Americans, (or maybe Middle-Eastern Americans), Eastern European Americans (are they counted as "White-Americans"?)


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29 July 2020, 09:16 AM
Cindysphinx
Erm, Native Americans, anyone?
29 July 2020, 11:21 AM
QuirtEvans
I think there's another name for Israeli-Americans, and it might be a broader group.
29 July 2020, 11:46 AM
Mary Anna
A social scientist, which I am not, could probably do a lot with the social strata within the White-Americans group. The people in the top stratum do a pretty good job of keeping the others in their place, and a spot in the bottom stratum doesn't offer much other than the ability to say, "I'm white!" I guess it's not surprising that so many (not all, and I have no idea what percentage, but apparently-in-an-unscientific-way so many) white supremacists come from that lowest stratum.

None of that speaks directly to this chart, the validity of which an actual social scientist would have to assess. Off the cuff, I'd say that the differing histories of all the groups, particularly the very particular history of slavery and longstanding oppression of African Americans, do a better job of explaining the apparent shape of it than the failure or success of white supremacy.

More significantly, I think, there's a bit of cherry-picking in the group divisions, as the chart would look very different if the Asian-American groups were combined so that the groups were White-Americans, Asian-Americans, African Americans, and Latin Americans (not sure what to do about those hyphens and group names, but something like that), and if all Asian-American groups were considered. (Vietnam? Cambodia? Laos? Does the Middle East belong here? What about the Asian former Soviet countries?) There has to be some rationale for grouping people other than to illustrate the conclusion you'd like to see.


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29 July 2020, 01:15 PM
Axtremus
quote:
Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Erm, Native Americans, anyone?
Ha, I brought that up in TNCR but somehow left it out here. This omission here is unintentional.


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29 July 2020, 01:23 PM
Axtremus
quote:
Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
I think there's another name for Israeli-Americans, and it might be a broader group.
Just in case you're thinking about the term "Jewish Americans," I thought about it, and decided that I want to focus on "nexus to the nation-state" rather than "ethnicity/heritage." But now that I think about it again, I realize that this distinction ("nexus to nation" vs "ethnicity/heritage") is not consistently applied across all groups. So I no longer have a reason to prefer one term to another. Shrug


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31 July 2020, 04:15 PM
Steve Miller
It turns out the data is from the "American Community Survey", conducted by the US government. It is much more comprehensive than the chart shows. It even covers Somali-Americans.

1. Indian American (2018): $119,858 [12]
2. Filipino American (2018): $92,328[10]
3. Australian American (2016): $90,930[12]
4. South African American (2017): $90,517[12]
5. Chinese Americans & Taiwanese Americans: (2018): $80,944[10]
6. Austrian American (2016): $80,717[12]
7. Japanese American (2018): $80,036[10]
8. Singaporean American (2016) $79,852[12]
9. Russian American (2016): $77,841[12]
10. Pakistani American (2018): $77,315[10]
11. Bulgarian American (2016): $76,862[12]
12. Lithuanian American (2016): $76,694[12]
13. Israeli American (2016): $76,584[12]
14. Slovene American (2016): $75,940[12]
15. Iranian American (2017): $75,905[12]
16. Basque American (2016): $75,864[12]
17. Lebanese American (2016): $75,337[12]
18. Croatian American (2016): $73,991[12]
19. Sri Lankan American: $73,856[12]
20. Scandinavian American (2016): $73,797[12]
21. Belgian American (2016): $73,443[12]
22. Swiss American (2016): $72,823[12]
23. Italian American (2016): $72,586[12]
24. Ukrainian American (2016): $72,449[12]
25. Romanian American (2016): $72,381[12]
26. Greek American (2016): $72,291[12]
27. Polish American (2016): $71,172[12]
28. Korean American (2018): $72,074[10]
29. Danish American (2016): $71,550[12]
30. Swedish American (2016): $71,217[12]
31. Slavic American (2016): $71,163[12]
32. Norwegian American (2016): $71,142[12]
33. Indonesian American: $70,851[10]
34. Canadian American (2016): $70,809[12]
35. Czech American (2016): $70,454[12]
36. Finnish American (2016): $70,045[12]
37. Serbian American (2016): $70,028[12]
38. French Canadian American (2016): $68,075[12]
39. Hungarian American (2016): $69,515[12]
40. Portuguese American (2016): $67,807[12]
41. Cambodian American: $67,766[10]
42. Slovak American (2016): $67,471[12]
43. Armenian American (2016): $67,450[12]
44. Hmong American (2018) $67,372[10]
45. Vietnamese American (2018): $67,331[10]
46. German American (2016): $67,306[12]
47. Irish American (2016): $66,688[12]
48. Ghanaian American (2016): $66,571[12]
49. Turkish American (2016): $66,566[12]
50. Laotian American (2018): $65,958[10]
51. Thai Americans (2018): $65,357[10]
52. Palestinian American (2016): $65,170[12]
53. Egyptian American (2016): $64,728[12]
54. Dutch American (2016): $63,597[12]
55. French American (2016): $63,471[12]
56. Median American Household Income (2018): $63,179[10]
57. Syrian American (2016): $63,096[12]
58. Nepalese American: $62,848[13]
59. Albanian American (2016): $62,624[12]
60. Polynesian American (2018): $61,654[10]
61. Guyanese American (2016): $60,968[12]
62. Nigerian American (2016): $60,732[12]
63. British American (2016): $59,872[12]
64. British West Indian American (2016): $60,407[12]
65. Cuban American: $57,000[14]
66. West Indian American: $56,998[12]
67. Brazilian American (2016): $56,151[12]
68. Barbadian American: $56,078[12]
69. Argentine American: $55,000[15]
70. Scotch-Irish American (2016): $54,187[12]
71. Jamaican American (2016): $52,669[12]
72. Trinbagonian Americans: $55,303[12]
73. Cajun American: $52,886[12]
74. Moroccan American (2016): $52,436[12]
75. Peruvian Americans: $52,000[12]
76. American Americans (2016): $51,601[12]
77. Scottish American (2016): $51,925[12]
78. Jordanian American (2016): $51,552[12]
79. Welsh American (2016): $50,351[12]
80. Pennsylvania German American (2016): $48,955[12]
81. Ecuadorian American: $48,600[12]
82. Colombian American: $48,000[15]
83. Haitian American (2016): $47,990[12]
84. English American (2016): $47,663[12]
85. Cape Verdean American (2016): $47,281[12]
86. Bangladeshi American: $47,252[12]
87. Burmese American (2018): $45,348[10]
88. Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac American (2016): $44,733[12]
89. Afghan American: $43,838[12]
90. Bahamian American: $42,000[12]
91. Ethiopian American (2016): $41,357[12]
92. Mexican American: $38,000[15]
93. Puerto Rican American: $36,000[15]
94. African Americans(2013): $33,500[16]
95. Iraqi American (2016): $32,818[12]
96. Dominican American: $32,000[15]
97. Somali American: $18,756[15]


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31 July 2020, 04:30 PM
Mary Anna
If the maker of the meme had really intended to investigate white supremacy, why leave out high-earning categories like Australian-Americans? There are a lot of white people in Australia, although not they're certainly not all white, but that's a problem with all of those categories, isn't it?

And where did the number for White-Americans come from?


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31 July 2020, 05:02 PM
jon-nyc
quote:
Originally posted by Mary Anna:
If the maker of the meme had really intended to investigate white supremacy


The twitter account is 'India In Pixels' so I doubt that was their motivation.


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31 July 2020, 09:30 PM
Steve Miller
I suspect the their goal was to present Indians as number one, completely ignoring the fact that what they’re looking at his Indians who were smart enough to get the hell out of India.


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